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Other/All/Unsure   RE: poly-fragmented vs. "traditional" DID
nats, I totally get that. I guess that's what I'm trying to do, accept my system as it is without attaching all the baggage to it--or having to defend against that baggage. I guess that's what I was starting to feel I was doing here--no one's intent, I'm sure. But I was feeling hurt and invalidated, which is more about my issues than what anyone wrote. Thanks for your thoughtful reply. It brought me back to my senses. Tongue

I don't know why we fragmented that way either, but my prevailing assumption is not more severe abuse or red dot stuff (though for reasons unrelated to the poly-fragmentation, not ruling it out yet) but age of onset. It's just how we split when the SA started in infancy, and we just kept on splitting that way. The treatment is exactly the same as for any other expression of DID. But just as first discovering the trauma history, then the DID diagnosis, helped me to understand myself better and explained sooooo much, so, to a lesser degree, does recognizing the poly-fragmentation. To me naming/identifying it is no less helpful than naming the DID in the first place. It's validating and provides its own "aha" moments and also helps inform therapy. But in the end, it's all just healing from trauma, and that's why my last and current Ts are both trauma therapists and not Xian counselors or DID "specialists" or whatever.

I find it an interesting topic, obviously, so I'm happy to discuss it further with anyone who is wanting to do so. But no worries if the discussion has run its course here.
01-25-2015, 09:56 AM
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RE: poly-fragmented vs. "traditional" DID
Hi Orek. We couldn't agree with you more !!!
"It's validating and provides its own "aha" moments and also helps inform therapy."
We find those moments are so very helpful to us also and important and if we DO finally put a name to something and are able to describe it by something that we researched it just makes things so much easier to understand. To us there are still so many missing puzzle pieces or pieces that just don't seem to fit together so when those aha moments happen for us it is almost gives us reason to celebrate and we say FINALLY-something makes sense and fits. I guess after trying so hard to fit a square bolt into a round hole for years and years and make it fit when you finally find that "right" hole it should be a celebration. Smile That feeling almost makes it worth it Smile
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01-25-2015, 01:16 PM
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RE: poly-fragmented vs. "traditional" DID
Hi Orek. I have found this blog from someone who has healed from poly-fragmenting. Not sure if it will help you or not but at the bottom of the page it has links and they made a series out of it.

https://faithallen.wordpress.com/2009/01/19/what-is-polyfragmented-dissociative-identity-disorder-did/

After doing some reading on this I realize that this is not something that applies to us. Found it very interesting though and I will continue to look for things for you if it would be helpful.
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01-25-2015, 01:48 PM
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Thanks, as always, for you feedback and support, Tangled. And yes, I find her blog helpful, too. That's the one I'm referring to in post #11 (where I added the P.S.). She speaks in very general terms, but as an overview I can really relate and find hope in what she writes. I'm glad you are finding validation in understanding your system better, too! (Oh, and, Davis is kicking me to add that "Sammy had better get back to the Alley, yo" or something like that.... I must add that you all have a right to go when and where you want. Tongue ) Let me know if you find anything else on this, and I'll do the same.
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Oh I see it now. LOL. Sorry I missed the one. And as for davis tell her that Samantha will be visiting shortly-definitely toned that message down a bit.Smile Thanks
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01-25-2015, 11:41 PM
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Doing okay  RE: poly-fragmented vs. "traditional" DID
This is a great thread. FWIW, our intent is never to invalidate, and we hope that we don't come across that way. What we do mean is in fact the opposite--that no matter how large or small, each system's experience is valid.

We agree with nats' point. While most of the larger, more complex systems that we've met do indeed have a red-dot background, this doesn't mean that all such systems do.

It makes sense that large systems would have a significant number of fragments and/or groups. Is there any information available on the average proportion of fragments to more fully-developed insiders in such systems? What do each of you think is the ratio in your own system, if you don't mind saying?

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01-26-2015, 06:18 PM
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for your support for the discussion.

No, haven't read/heard anything on probable proportionality. And we don't know enough about our system right now to hazard a guess. We just know there are lots and lots and lots of them, the majority fragments (including fragments that function as a whole together). Be glad to share more as we learn more, though!
01-28-2015, 01:11 AM
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Cool, thanks. We'd love to hear more, when and if.

Fragments that work together to function as a whole. Interesting. Formed by the same experience, perhaps? In any event, thanks for explaining.

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01-28-2015, 02:19 PM
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"...the majority fragments (including fragments that function as a whole together)..."

(-: (-: (-: hooray!!! a system that sounds like ours :-) :-) :-)


sorry MDs, also no idea on numbers. these fragments are just so slippery...
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sorry MDs, also no idea on numbers. these fragments are just so slippery...

Dagnabbit. :-P

Well, glad you can identify with what orek is talking about.

Laura and others

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Hmmm. orek, you've said in the past that you have no idea what your system name means--only that you wrote it on a school paper as a child. Maybe it's a combination of the initials of various fragments' names?

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RE: poly-fragmented vs. "traditional" DID
I found an article on this quite some time ago and identified with it at that time. My system is quite extensive. Those on the inside have described it as there may be one part that has a name, but there are many behind that one so there is really more of a group associated with many of those who are inside. There was a long period of time that the best way to explain the inside world was that it was shattered. I think this is a statement of the degree of splitting that had to occur to keep the outside one from knowing and so that she could function and appear that all was well. I dont think that i have felt different from others with DID.
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(-: (-: (-: hooray!!! a system that sounds like ours :-) :-) :-)

LOL, nats. My reaction exactly. Big Grin

(How did I not see these last few responses?)
03-04-2015, 01:07 AM
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RE: poly-fragmented vs. "traditional" DID
"Hmmm. orek, you've said in the past that you have no idea what your system name means--only that you wrote it on a school paper as a child. Maybe it's a combination of the initials of various fragments' names?"

Allegra, et. al., that's a brilliant idea! I never thought of that possibility. That could very well be. BTW--You have a great memory to recall that about our handle. Huge kudos to that sharp mind of yours.
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"There was a long period of time that the best way to explain the inside world was that it was shattered. I think this is a statement of the degree of splitting that had to occur to keep the outside one from knowing and so that she could function and appear that all was well."

That describes us, as well.

Thanks again, everyone, for the feedback and thoughts.
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I have seen polyfragmented as defined by a certain threshold number of parts, but I think it also has to do with parts having parts.
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